look, the obama administration has said they might cut up to $400 billion out of medicare. i think this is going to get done, but i think they'll wait until the last minute to make sure each side looks tough. >> what's fascinating to me very quickly, when i hear both sides of the argument and the sticking appointments where they're digging in, there's logic on both sides, but who are the dealmakers who are really pulling this together? because sometimes when i listen to some of the political folks, i'm not so sure they are the ones that are sort of moving all the pieces. very quickly, jason, ron, who do you think it is? >> i think the players on tv, you know, obviously the president's going to be part of it, speaker boehner will be part of it, but eric cantor, vice president biden, there are a number of -- senator mitch mcconnell, the minority leader, harry reid. these are the big players but, you know, there are also ones too, like senator chuck schumer. there are a number of big players here that will be involved. but do you know what, they can try to manage the negotiati